Curse

Gotejjeken · Dec 08, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

Exactly. Guild Wars stopped being a decent game as soon as Anet went for the money. Now all we have is some bland quasi-clone of WoW with a ton of grinding and nothing else.

It's not like it takes any time at all to reach level 20, therefore lowering that restriction is just stupid. Anet fails to realize the only people buying Guild Wars are the ones who have had previous expansions, and thus would have a great chance of having a high level character. By dumbing down missions and requirements for that fan base is a slap in the face.

fenix · Dec 08, 2007, 02:19 PM // 14:19

Actually, GW would have been better if they had been after money from the start, instead of trying to sell multiple Chapters. If they had made Prophecies pay to play, they'd have had the funding to make their expansions better, and PvP would still be as huge as it used to be, as they wouldnt need to pump out bad campaigns with bad skills.

Onarik Amrak · Dec 08, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

I disagree, a large chunk of the population probably wouldn't have picked it up if it was P2P.

There are advantages and disadvantages either way.

The trick is to minimise disadvantages and get the most of what you have.

fenix · Dec 08, 2007, 02:31 PM // 14:31

That is very true, which will be interesting for GW2. If it's pay to play, they'll have most players quit. If it's the current system, they'll make no money. If they had made it P2P from the get go, sure, a lot of people wouldn't have gotten it, but a whole new crowd of players would have.

Even so, we're far off the topic :P

Loki Seiguro · Dec 08, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Its fine imo. Theyll be kicked out after a few hours if they don't have GWEN if not..well they won't be getting far without lvl 20 heros

Rothen Kithkanan · Dec 08, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

sometimes fish you come up with the most bizarre complaints. i couldn't really care

EinherjarMx · Dec 08, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Are those heroes still level 20 when you aquire them from GWEN with a lvl10?

yes they are

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

If so, they could go back to the game they started in with a huge advantage of having a lvl 20 monks and a lvl20 elemental at just lvl10.

Does that seem fair?

fair to who? where is stated that everyone has to do every damn quest to finish the game? oh! i get it! all the low lvl creatures are complaining for the use of lvl 20 heroes!!
allow me to put all the threads where low lvl monsters complain
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and those were all the posts

i'd say they should remove all the heroes because you know, people who only have prophecies are under a huge disadvantage against those who have heroes, oh and ban all those lvl 20 who help their guildies on low lvl missions too!

seriously if you care that much about lvls related to monsters start QQ'ing about the ferry to docks, to cantha, the droknar runs and every way to acquire max armor, and see how many players care about it.

you always make a big deal of nothing

~ Dan ~ · Dec 08, 2007, 08:53 PM // 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

allow me to put all the threads where low lvl monsters complain
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and those were all the posts

There are 0 threads from monsters complaining about GW.

There are 1231481548175501 threads from players complaining about GW.

Take note people

The AI just owned you.

Sujoy · Dec 08, 2007, 11:10 PM // 23:10

I remember they dumped C4 and announced GWEN as an expansion dedicated to the lv20's out there, meaning they rather concentrate on high end gaming/ lv20 content, then make a new chapter.

Now with the lv10's that can access EotN... I mean what the hell anet? What were they thinking? Is this another skit to sell games? I'm actually furiously pissed, not because lv10's will RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO the game (which is improbable), but they kind-of (maybe Im stretching it) went back on waht they said.

If I'm wrong, tell me, I really need to get this straight before I do something stoopid...

Raiin Maker · Dec 08, 2007, 11:12 PM // 23:12

How many level 10's are there that don't have a level 20 main?

I would say very few.

Sujoy · Dec 08, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Then why implement this in the game? They could surely get through the other 10 levels

Raiin Maker · Dec 08, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sujoy

Then why implement this in the game? They could surely get through the other 10 levels

GW isn't a monthly pay game, thus they don't gain any money the longer you play, infact they could even lose some. This way they please the people rolling alts and could keep future customers.

ensoriki · Dec 08, 2007, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Boo hoo.
More people get to enjoy the game, if they have EoTN it means they bought a campaign and EoTN, you wan't people unable to play a game they bought UNTIL they are level 20 >.>.
Sure if your a factions character its pfft whatever.
If your a prophecies owner its....jesus christ.

If anything this is keeping their word.
GW does not have grind, if you need to get to get to level 20 to actually play a game you own, thats bloody pathetic.

Rinadan Farhunt · Dec 08, 2007, 11:30 PM // 23:30

My view on letting level 10 people into EotN:

Couldn't.
Care.
Less.

It has no effect whatsoever on me playing the game. Not to mention that its hardly worse than getting a run to Droknar's Forge at level 1...

HawkofStorms · Dec 08, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

Eh... interesting point. The main reason I see them doing this is so new cosumers using the premuim edition with prophecies and GW:EN bundled together will now use GW:EN as soon as they reach Lion's Arch.

But, yeah it is an interesting backslide on the whole "level 20 content." Technically though, its still the same content though. And there is a good chance a.net hadn't planed to impliment this level 10 access when they said "level 20 content." You can't blame a company for not being able to see the future.

Ugoff The Unholy · Dec 08, 2007, 11:37 PM // 23:37

They didn't go back on their word, it's still "geared towards level 20's".

Would you rather have them dumb down the enemies to level 14 so that the level 10's can gain access? No, instead they buffed the level 10's. Same content, new/more players.

ensoriki · Dec 08, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

If they hadn't done this they may actually of Lost potential players.

I know I would've thrown away GW for good, Prophecies was just way to slow for me.

but then a shining Light,Factions.

People complained about how Factions levels people up to fast.
Now they're going to complain how EoTN doesn't need you to level up as fast if you want to play >.>

then in 3 months we will get
"The Jokes over A-net Fix EoTn" threads

Then 6 months later everyone will forget they even did this update because they are used to it.

If you hadn't made this thread, this evolution of acceptance would occur even faster.

Neo Nugget · Dec 08, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

You basically turn lvl 20 while in GW:EN, not permanently though.

Antheus · Dec 09, 2007, 12:10 AM // 00:10

Levels are a big deal in Guild Wars!

Sujoy · Dec 09, 2007, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Getting to lv20 is not the end of the world... it can be done fast and in a enjoyable fashion, so that is not a valuable argument.

I know that having lv10's in GWEN won't affect anybody, but I just have a hard time understanding the logic behind this feature...